New Holland 492 Haybine Owners Manual
We have been having a good discussion about 474-489 wobble boxes. If you haven't read the postings yet, you may want to. The reason for this post is to let you all know something that I really feel very strong about concerning the longevity of the wobble box.
Although I mentioned in another post that New Holland has perfected the wobble fairly well, there is still a serious issue that the newer 492 and the 1465 machines still have to deal with. The problem is with the #40 roller chain that drives the reel. The chain comes off the back side of the wobble box and is tightened by an idler sprocket on the earlier 489's(also 474's) and later units use a white plastic tightener. Please do yourselves a favor and periodicly replace this chain. If you still have the idler sprocket as a tightener, please get rid of it and put on the nylon(or plastic) tightener. If that chain ever tears, you have a 50-50 chance of ruining the wobble box.
Almost half the time the chain tears, it wraps up in behind the box and wedges somehow and snaps the cross shaft right off. A new chain is cheap compared to a new box. I hope this helps someone. We used 489s for many years. I thought the jack stand was kind of junk. Other than that, they'd go out day after day with no problems.
One complaint I always had was the tendency to plug up in tall, first-cutting hay. Sometimes, no matter how slow you'd try to drive, they'd just grab a big slug and you were stuck. We traded one for a 1465 that we used a couple years. It was a nice machine too, and not a whole lot was changed. Dad got a used John Deere disc mower, kind of as a trial.
We'd run all three mowers, and the disc unit could knock down more hay in an hour than both 9' haybines running together. Once Deere released an improved design that would run with the cutterbar at a much more shallow angle (less chance of rocks damaging knives), that was the end of our Haybines. So, now we run JD 935 MoCos, with the impeller conditioner. In just a few hours, we can have 75 acres cut and well on the way to drying. They'll eat any hay, no matter how tall or heavy, without slowing down a bit. Best of all, it seems almost impossible to plug them up. I still think the 489 is excellent for that style machine, though.
We used 489s for many years. I thought the jack stand was kind of junk.
Other than that, they'd go out day after day with no problems. One complaint I always had was the tendency to plug up in tall, first-cutting hay. Sometimes, no matter how slow you'd try to drive, they'd just grab a big slug and you were stuck. We traded one for a 1465 that we used a couple years.
It was a nice machine too, not a whole lot was changed. Dad got a used John Deere disc mower, kind of as a trial. We'd run all three mowers, and the disc unit could knock down more hay in an hour than both 9' haybines running together. Once Deere released an improved design that would run with the cutterbar at a much more shallow angle (less chance of rocks damaging knives), that was the end of our Haybines. So, now we run JD 935 MoCos, with the impeller conditioner.
In just a few hours, we can have 75 acres cut and well on the way to drying. What impresses me the most, is that they'll eat any hay, no matter how tall or heavy, without slowing down a bit. Best of all, no more plugging (very very rarely anyway). I still think the 489 is excellent for that style machine, though. So i gota ask, what is so great about the NH 489 and others of that style?
I have a NH 469 and its been a great machine, easy to work on, pretty bulletproof woblebox, and if it did blow up there aint much to it to rebuild it. A friend up the street has a 489 and has went thru rebuilding the woblebox once, that lasted a few months, then he bought a new one from NH and that has been ok so far. He had to replace a few U-joints in it and it seemed to be a huge project, whereas on my 469 i could change most any of the U-joints in a few minutes. I have also heard that the 489 has had problems with the tounge breaking off. This just makes me wonder what can these machines do that an older one like a 469 cant do? Do they cut faster?
Do they condition differently? From what i hear from local people and from these boards i dont think i would ever want to 'upgrade' to a 489 or simular haybine. I dont mean to be knocking any of you guys who own these, i just wonder whats better about them, seems that they do the same thing, that is cut and crimp the hay, so i am curious as to whats the difference. I bought a used 489 about 6 years ago and it is 10 times better thatn the 469 I had. I cut about 150 acres a year with mine and have had very few problems. First of all, the head does float a lot better on the 489, especially in rocky fields, which cuts down on broken gaurds and knives. Second, the free floating head can be adjusted to vary the cutting angle to maximize cut in all crop conditions( downed hay, standing.) third, I can cut faster with the 489, especially in second and third cutting.
I have done some work on the tongue, and have had no problems with any other part of my 489. They are good machines, and like every other model will eventually require some repair.
We got a 489 this past spring.It is one of the best mowing machines I have ever used! I ran the neighbors 5209 Discbine alot and would take the 489 our the NI any day of the week!
We have had ZERO down time with the NH and the neighbors have had alot of problems with the NI and it is newer. I think this 489 vs. The rest is hog wash.Any machine will give problems if they set outside, aren't checked over before and after use, ran like He!!, and aren't greased and oiled. The 489 will run right with that NI discbine, do a BETTER job, and won't break doing it. Neighbors did have a Vicon and NI haybines and they were junk, but this NH has really changed my tune on Haybines! I would buy a 489 before anything else!!!!!!
Sure Discbines are nice, but their isn't nothing like a good Haybine IMO. Haybines seem to condition the hay better do to the near 90 degree feed into the conditioning rolls, unlike the every which way like a discbine. We seem to be able to make small squares before the neighbors if the hay was mowed on the same day at roughly the same time. I am sure a few 489's did have problems.But I really, really, am pleased with ours.
Someone else around here must like them as well, they still fetch a high dollar at sales around here.
We have been having a good discussion about 474-489 wobble boxes. If you haven't read the postings yet, you may want to. The reason for this post is to let you all know something that I really feel very strong about concerning the longevity of the wobble box. Although I mentioned in another post that New Holland has perfected the wobble fairly well, there is still a serious issue that the newer 492 and the 1465 machines still have to deal with.
The problem is with the #40 roller chain that drives the reel. The chain comes off the back side of the wobble box and is tightened by an idler sprocket on the earlier 489's(also 474's) and later units use a white plastic tightener. Please do yourselves a favor and periodicly replace this chain. If you still have the idler sprocket as a tightener, please get rid of it and put on the nylon(or plastic) tightener. If that chain ever tears, you have a 50-50 chance of ruining the wobble box.
Almost half the time the chain tears, it wraps up in behind the box and wedges somehow and snaps the cross shaft right off. A new chain is cheap compared to a new box. I hope this helps someone. We used 489s for many years. I thought the jack stand was kind of junk. Other than that, they'd go out day after day with no problems.
One complaint I always had was the tendency to plug up in tall, first-cutting hay. Sometimes, no matter how slow you'd try to drive, they'd just grab a big slug and you were stuck. We traded one for a 1465 that we used a couple years. It was a nice machine too, and not a whole lot was changed. Dad got a used John Deere disc mower, kind of as a trial. We'd run all three mowers, and the disc unit could knock down more hay in an hour than both 9' haybines running together.
Once Deere released an improved design that would run with the cutterbar at a much more shallow angle (less chance of rocks damaging knives), that was the end of our Haybines. So, now we run JD 935 MoCos, with the impeller conditioner. In just a few hours, we can have 75 acres cut and well on the way to drying. They'll eat any hay, no matter how tall or heavy, without slowing down a bit. Best of all, it seems almost impossible to plug them up. I still think the 489 is excellent for that style machine, though.
We used 489s for many years. I thought the jack stand was kind of junk. Other than that, they'd go out day after day with no problems. One complaint I always had was the tendency to plug up in tall, first-cutting hay.
Sometimes, no matter how slow you'd try to drive, they'd just grab a big slug and you were stuck. We traded one for a 1465 that we used a couple years. It was a nice machine too, not a whole lot was changed. Dad got a used John Deere disc mower, kind of as a trial. We'd run all three mowers, and the disc unit could knock down more hay in an hour than both 9' haybines running together.
Once Deere released an improved design that would run with the cutterbar at a much more shallow angle (less chance of rocks damaging knives), that was the end of our Haybines. So, now we run JD 935 MoCos, with the impeller conditioner. In just a few hours, we can have 75 acres cut and well on the way to drying. What impresses me the most, is that they'll eat any hay, no matter how tall or heavy, without slowing down a bit. Best of all, no more plugging (very very rarely anyway).
I still think the 489 is excellent for that style machine, though. So i gota ask, what is so great about the NH 489 and others of that style? I have a NH 469 and its been a great machine, easy to work on, pretty bulletproof woblebox, and if it did blow up there aint much to it to rebuild it. A friend up the street has a 489 and has went thru rebuilding the woblebox once, that lasted a few months, then he bought a new one from NH and that has been ok so far. He had to replace a few U-joints in it and it seemed to be a huge project, whereas on my 469 i could change most any of the U-joints in a few minutes. I have also heard that the 489 has had problems with the tounge breaking off.
This just makes me wonder what can these machines do that an older one like a 469 cant do? Do they cut faster?
New Holland 492 Haybine Owners Manual
Do they condition differently? From what i hear from local people and from these boards i dont think i would ever want to 'upgrade' to a 489 or simular haybine. I dont mean to be knocking any of you guys who own these, i just wonder whats better about them, seems that they do the same thing, that is cut and crimp the hay, so i am curious as to whats the difference. I bought a used 489 about 6 years ago and it is 10 times better thatn the 469 I had. I cut about 150 acres a year with mine and have had very few problems.
First of all, the head does float a lot better on the 489, especially in rocky fields, which cuts down on broken gaurds and knives. Second, the free floating head can be adjusted to vary the cutting angle to maximize cut in all crop conditions( downed hay, standing.) third, I can cut faster with the 489, especially in second and third cutting.
I have done some work on the tongue, and have had no problems with any other part of my 489. They are good machines, and like every other model will eventually require some repair. We got a 489 this past spring.It is one of the best mowing machines I have ever used! I ran the neighbors 5209 Discbine alot and would take the 489 our the NI any day of the week!
We have had ZERO down time with the NH and the neighbors have had alot of problems with the NI and it is newer. I think this 489 vs. The rest is hog wash.Any machine will give problems if they set outside, aren't checked over before and after use, ran like He!!, and aren't greased and oiled. The 489 will run right with that NI discbine, do a BETTER job, and won't break doing it. Neighbors did have a Vicon and NI haybines and they were junk, but this NH has really changed my tune on Haybines!
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I would buy a 489 before anything else!!!!!! Sure Discbines are nice, but their isn't nothing like a good Haybine IMO. Haybines seem to condition the hay better do to the near 90 degree feed into the conditioning rolls, unlike the every which way like a discbine. We seem to be able to make small squares before the neighbors if the hay was mowed on the same day at roughly the same time.
New Holland 492 Haybine For Sale
I am sure a few 489's did have problems.But I really, really, am pleased with ours. Someone else around here must like them as well, they still fetch a high dollar at sales around here.